Comments on: rockypointexposed.com http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/ A blog about Rocky Point real estate Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:34:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Sandra R http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-2111 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:40:11 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-2111 Hi, im lookgin for someone who had bought a propierty on rocky point, specially in sandy beach or near, for investment but now is traying to sale it... im a journalist and im working a story about how the prices went down this year. Please write to sandraromandia@gmail.com, thank you. Hi, im lookgin for someone who had bought a propierty on rocky point, specially in sandy beach or near, for investment but now is traying to sale it… im a journalist and im working a story about how the prices went down this year.
Please write to sandraromandia@gmail.com, thank you.

]]> by: Pedro http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-2043 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:32:43 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-2043 I would like to take this opportunity to share the good news that has come out of the Criminal Courthouse of San Luis Rio Colorado, Sonora Mexico. Many of you have been following our case dealing with our property in El Golfo de Santa Clara, Sonora. It was stolen, and now, has been returned (well only about 75% of the parcel) because the justice finally showed its head!!! We are waiting for the opposition previously known as the criminals, to decide if they are going to appeal the judge’s decision to return our land to us. I have not posted the ruling on my blog, because the "opposition" lawyer has not been officially served with the ruling. It has been an extremely long and difficult endeavor trying to recoup our land. Not only has it (the fight) decimated my life savings and taken me away from my kids it almost cost me my sanity! It is almost over. We have a new hearing at the Agrarian court on Dec 4, we had previously won there. We are also waiting for the ruling on the guilt or innocence of the criminals and the jail time if any; and I almost forgot, how much of the $250K+ I have spent trying to get our land back from these hoodlums! I share this information with you today, not as a bragging point for our personal gain but as a triumph for the justice system and rule of law in the State of Sonora Mexico. I know many of you are still embattled with the Sonora legal system; it is my sincere wishes to offer you HOPE and moral support, as you too seek justice in Sonora Mexico! The fight continues! Pedro I would like to take this opportunity to share the good news that has come out of the Criminal Courthouse of San Luis Rio Colorado, Sonora Mexico. Many of you have been following our case dealing with our property in El Golfo de Santa Clara, Sonora. It was stolen, and now, has been returned (well only about 75% of the parcel) because the justice finally showed its head!!!
We are waiting for the opposition previously known as the criminals, to decide if they are going to appeal the judge’s decision to return our land to us. I have not posted the ruling on my blog, because the “opposition” lawyer has not been officially served with the ruling.
It has been an extremely long and difficult endeavor trying to recoup our land. Not only has it (the fight) decimated my life savings and taken me away from my kids it almost cost me my sanity!
It is almost over. We have a new hearing at the Agrarian court on Dec 4, we had previously won there. We are also waiting for the ruling on the guilt or innocence of the criminals and the jail time if any; and I almost forgot, how much of the $250K+ I have spent trying to get our land back from these hoodlums!
I share this information with you today, not as a bragging point for our personal gain but as a triumph for the justice system and rule of law in the State of Sonora Mexico.
I know many of you are still embattled with the Sonora legal system; it is my sincere wishes to offer you HOPE and moral support, as you too seek justice in Sonora Mexico!
The fight continues!
Pedro

]]> by: Stevie D http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1624 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:37:19 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1624 Greg P, regarding your 9/21 comment about La Perla, yes that is true. My contract required that the project be finished by the end of January 2009 and EXPLICITLY STATED that all monies were to be refunded if the project was not completed. I sent them a registered letter demanding my deposit, since the contract would clearly be violated and not be done by this time. Their response was a BS letter that essentially stated that "poor economic conditions" constituted an unforeseen circumstance, and Mexican Law allowed them to ignore the completion/refund date in the contract. THE "DEVELOPERS" OF THE LA PERLA PROJECT (AKA PATRICK CLIFTON / CLIFTON MERIDIAN COMPANIES IN SCOTTSDALE, AZ) HAVE NO INTENTION OF RETURNING A DIME OF ANY INVESTOR'S HARD-EARNED MONEY. DO NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THESE PEOPLE IN THE U.S. OR MEXICO, OR ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU CAN SEE THEIR COMPANY INFORMATION ON WWW.CLIFTONMERIDIAN.COM. PASS THE WORD, DO NOT DO BUSINESS, PROTEST - DO WHATEVER YOU CAN. Greg P, regarding your 9/21 comment about La Perla, yes that is true. My contract required that the project be finished by the end of January 2009 and EXPLICITLY STATED that all monies were to be refunded if the project was not completed.

I sent them a registered letter demanding my deposit, since the contract would clearly be violated and not be done by this time. Their response was a BS letter that essentially stated that “poor economic conditions” constituted an unforeseen circumstance, and Mexican Law allowed them to ignore the completion/refund date in the contract.

THE “DEVELOPERS” OF THE LA PERLA PROJECT (AKA PATRICK CLIFTON / CLIFTON MERIDIAN COMPANIES IN SCOTTSDALE, AZ) HAVE NO INTENTION OF RETURNING A DIME OF ANY INVESTOR’S HARD-EARNED MONEY. DO NOT DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THESE PEOPLE IN THE U.S. OR MEXICO, OR ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU CAN SEE THEIR COMPANY INFORMATION ON www.CLIFTONMERIDIAN.COM. PASS THE WORD, DO NOT DO BUSINESS, PROTEST - DO WHATEVER YOU CAN.

]]> by: Pedro http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1062 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:30:43 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1062 Scoop, Touché! pedro Scoop,

Touché!

pedro

]]> by: Scoop Jackson http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1055 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:32:46 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1055 Pedro, You know the answer to that as well as anyone. Corruption and payoff's are the answer to that. In the State of sonora, It's the rule rather than the exception. This happens in the U.S. as well but we don't want to admit it. The laws exist in Mexico, the problem is you have to pay to get the law enforced or some else pays to not have the law enforced. If no one pays, nothing happens, the problem just simply does not exist! What i was trying to say is that by doing business in the correct manner we will take away money from the State of Sonora, which eventually will cause them to enforce their own laws, or go without the Money. It's a relatively save bet that the legit developers will put up their own money to get these projects to the point where they can apply for a license to sell. The scam artists will not because they want to use everyone else's money to get rich quick without any investment of their own. Thanks for your response as this is what this website is all about. Debate and education for all those who have invested and those that are considering investing in Mexico. I will agree with you that at this point in time, given the Sonoran Government's actions or lack of responsible action,it is most likely not a good time to invest in Mexico. Pedro,
You know the answer to that as well as anyone. Corruption and payoff’s are the answer to that. In the State of sonora, It’s the rule rather than the exception. This happens in the U.S. as well but we don’t want to admit it. The laws exist in Mexico, the problem is you have to pay to get the law enforced or some else pays to not have the law enforced. If no one pays, nothing happens, the problem just simply does not exist!
What i was trying to say is that by doing business in the correct manner we will take away money from the State of Sonora, which eventually will cause them to enforce their own laws, or go without the Money. It’s a relatively save bet that the legit developers will put up their own money to get these projects to the point where they can apply for a license to sell. The scam artists will not because they want to use everyone else’s money to get rich quick without any investment of their own. Thanks for your response as this is what this website is all about. Debate and education for all those who have invested and those that are considering investing in Mexico. I will agree with you that at this point in time, given the Sonoran Government’s actions or lack of responsible action,it is most likely not a good time to invest in Mexico.

]]> by: pedro http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1040 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:47:24 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1040 I believe legal accountability seems to be elusive in Sonora. I believe legal accountability seems to be elusive in Sonora.

]]> by: pedro http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1023 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:18:27 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1023 Scoop How do you explain what is happening to the investors of Sonoran real esate that have CLEAN LEGAL TITLE and get ZERO relief from the judicial system??? In America we have judicial recourse. Sure fraud exists in Amercia, but not systematic fraud such as the case on display in Rocky Point and El Golfo. We must assume our share of the fault becasue I don't believe any of us had a gun pointed at our heads as we signed the purchase agreements. Look beyond what the investor must do. Look at what Mexico is NOT doing; enforcing their own laws! It doesn't matter how much homework or due diligence the American investor excercises prior to, during and after a purchase, when the system is "broken, inept, inefficient, corrupt" or whatever term one wishes to use to describe this phenomena, the fact remains you are on your own when it comes to trying to obtain "justice" in Sonora, Mexico. After everything that has been posted on this site, my site and the boycott Baja site the only thing can be said is that one has to be brave to invest in Mexico! Have you heard of being doomed the minute your eye catches that glimmering wave on the Mexican sunset? the fight continues Pedro Scoop
How do you explain what is happening to the investors of Sonoran real esate that have CLEAN LEGAL TITLE and get ZERO relief from the judicial system??? In America we have judicial recourse. Sure fraud exists in Amercia, but not systematic fraud such as the case on display in Rocky Point and El Golfo. We must assume our share of the fault becasue I don’t believe any of us had a gun pointed at our heads as we signed the purchase agreements.
Look beyond what the investor must do. Look at what Mexico is NOT doing; enforcing their own laws! It doesn’t matter how much homework or due diligence the American investor excercises prior to, during and after a purchase, when the system is “broken, inept, inefficient, corrupt” or whatever term one wishes to use to describe this phenomena, the fact remains you are on your own when it comes to trying to obtain “justice” in Sonora, Mexico. After everything that has been posted on this site, my site and the boycott Baja site the only thing can be said is that one has to be brave to invest in Mexico! Have you heard of being doomed the minute your eye catches that glimmering wave on the Mexican sunset?
the fight continues
Pedro

]]> by: Scoop Jackson http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1013 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:14:12 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1013 Like it or not, here it is! We are having a good time venting about ourselves making BAD decisions. The truth of the matter is: that without us making bad decisions none of this would be happening. IF INTERNATIONAL BUYER'S would do business like we know how to do it, then it would stop the casino endeavor of these developers to do business like they have been doing business. We are allowing them to get away with it, and so is the Mexican Federal Government and the Sonorqan State Government. This is very simple! 1. Put a small refundable deposit in an imaginary development, on the house or condo of your choice. 2. When the developer has finished the complex or unit that you have a deposit on, and he can deliver to you a llegal ownership document, he then gets the money for the unit. Not up front, but after the unit is finished! 3. You need to make sure that these developments are approved by the State of Sonora, before you put any money down on them. NO PRIVATE CONTRACTS. IF YOU ENTER INTO THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE AND GIVING THE OTHER PARTY NOTHING LESS THAN A LICENSE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY! 4. Without us they are out of business, so let it be us that are the ones calling the shots! No Title, No dinero. Comprende? There are many, not all, but mostly all of the developers of the various projects who don't have much money invested in the developments that they are trying to do. They are cheating the City, the State and the buying public by short cutting the SUBDIVISION LAWS of the State of Sonora. (This is where then State of Sonora is at fault, by not enforcing laws that already exist.) If the developers were forced to follow the protocal that exists, they could not do it without investing their own money in the project and the project would be a lot less likely to fail if this were the case. So, let's get SMART and not buy anything until it is finished, they have permits and licenses from the State of Sonora and it is a varifiable approved project. This will stop the CRAP people. If they are scam artists they will not spend the amount of money that it takes to get that far along into the project to be able to finally get a license to sell. Don't listen to the hype of the prices are going to go up and that there are only a few units left and now is the time to buy. It's B.S. There are so many units for sale in Pto Penasco, they can't give them away. they are hurting for business. Let's not do business their way anymore. Do business the way you know how! When something you want to buy is finished and you can have an ownership document delivered to you when you pay for it, it is probably a good deal. When they want 60%-70% of the money upfront and the complex is not even under construction, it is most likely as we all know by now, NOT A GOOD DEAL. Like it or not, here it is!
We are having a good time venting about ourselves making BAD decisions. The truth of the matter is: that without us making bad decisions none of this would be happening. IF INTERNATIONAL BUYER’S would do business like we know how to do it, then it would stop the casino endeavor of these developers to do business like they have been doing business. We are allowing them to get away with it, and so is the Mexican Federal Government and the Sonorqan State Government. This is very simple!
1. Put a small refundable deposit in an imaginary development, on the house or condo of your choice.
2. When the developer has finished the complex or unit that you have a deposit on, and he can deliver to you a llegal ownership document, he then gets the money for the unit. Not up front, but after the unit is finished!
3. You need to make sure that these developments are approved by the State of Sonora, before you put any money down on them. NO PRIVATE CONTRACTS. IF YOU ENTER INTO THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE AND GIVING THE OTHER PARTY NOTHING LESS THAN A LICENSE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY!
4. Without us they are out of business, so let it be us that are the ones calling the shots! No Title, No dinero. Comprende?

There are many, not all, but mostly all of the developers of the various projects who don’t have much money invested in the developments that they are trying to do. They are cheating the City, the State and the buying public by short cutting the SUBDIVISION LAWS of the State of Sonora. (This is where then State of Sonora is at fault, by not enforcing laws that already exist.) If the developers were forced to follow the protocal that exists, they could not do it without investing their own money in the project and the project would be a lot less likely to fail if this were the case.
So, let’s get SMART and not buy anything until it is finished, they have permits and licenses from the State of Sonora and it is a varifiable approved project. This will stop the CRAP people. If they are scam artists they will not spend the amount of money that it takes to get that far along into the project to be able to finally get a license to sell. Don’t listen to the hype of the prices are going to go up and that there are only a few units left and now is the time to buy. It’s B.S. There are so many units for sale in Pto Penasco, they can’t give them away. they are hurting for business. Let’s not do business their way anymore. Do business the way you know how! When something you want to buy is finished and you can have an ownership document delivered to you when you pay for it, it is probably a good deal. When they want 60%-70% of the money upfront and the complex is not even under construction, it is most likely as we all know by now, NOT A GOOD DEAL.

]]> by: pedro http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1008 Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:59:01 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-1008 For all of you potential investors of Sonora real estate; you have been warned (informed). If you are still contemplating investing in Sonora Mexico then you have only yourself to blame. The Sonoran Government will not protect you, the American Government will not protect you and for our neighbors north of us, the Canadian Government will not protect you. NOBODY will protect you and if you try to protect yourself, you will more than likely be the one punished and invited to stay in one of the five star Mexican prisons. the fight continues~! Pedro For all of you potential investors of Sonora real estate; you have been warned (informed). If you are still contemplating investing in Sonora Mexico then you have only yourself to blame. The Sonoran Government will not protect you, the American Government will not protect you and for our neighbors north of us, the Canadian Government will not protect you. NOBODY will protect you and if you try to protect yourself, you will more than likely be the one punished and invited to stay in one of the five star Mexican prisons.
the fight continues~!
Pedro

]]> by: greg p http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-993 Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:01:02 +0000 http://rockypointexposed.com/blog/2008/01/17/hello-world/#comment-993 WE ARE HEARING THAT THE CONDO PROJECT LA PERLA HAS FAILED AND A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO PAID LARGE DEPOSITS FOR UNITS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED A YEAR AGO HAVE LOST THEIR MONEY. IS THIS CORRECT? WE ARE HEARING THAT THE CONDO PROJECT LA PERLA HAS FAILED AND A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO PAID LARGE DEPOSITS FOR UNITS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED A YEAR AGO HAVE LOST THEIR MONEY. IS THIS CORRECT?

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